Breaking generational curses with Evie Prete

Malini Sarma: 0:01

Hey Evie, thank you so much for joining the show. I'm really excited to hear your story.

Evie: 0:07

Now. Well, thank you so much for having me. I'm very excited to be here and just the chat.

Malini Sarma: 0:11

Oh, you're very welcome. So you were born in the US, your mom's from Mexico. And you grew up with parents, or pretty much in an environment surrounded by other people just like you. Right? So tell me a little bit more about you growing up as a, you know, first generation in California?

Evie: 0:34

Yeah, well, my mom worked in cleaning houses, and my dad had, like, I'm not sure exactly what he did. But he worked in doing some paperwork, job, but I know it wasn't much because where we grew up was kind of like, lower income. And I also just grew up in a Spanish speaking community. And growing up, you know, we didn't have a lot of things. And unfortunately, I saw my parents arguing over like rent and money a lot. So you know, my upbringing is very, from a scarcity, like, money is hard to come by. and money is hard to make. You know, we always had, like, we never had the newest toys, or newest, like gadgets, you know. So, definitely, you know, I guess from a place of lower income, but I had a great like, I feel like I had a great childhood with my siblings and with the kids in the neighborhood. And so it wasn't until maybe like Middle School, that I realized that we were poor. You know? Um, well, yeah, it's a little bit about me and my background. I guess I grew up in a place where, like, I was told, like, I couldn't do certain things. Like, I couldn't play with the boys, I can play soccer. And I kind of just went and did it anyway. So it was very just in my nature to do things that people said I couldn't do. I guess it was like, always a part of me to prove people wrong. I still do that today. So

Malini Sarma: 2:03

yeah, so growing up in a Spanish speaking neighborhood, would you did you learn English in school? it? Was that how you kind of picked up? So that was you, you're pretty much thinking in two languages?

Evie: 2:17

Yeah, I learned them simultaneously. So my dad spoke English. So I was able to learn both. So I don't I don't really struggle too much with English. I do sometimes. Like, I guess, with anyone who speaks two languages. Sometimes I'll think in a language and then I'll, you know, be stuck and say, oh, what's the word in English? I don't know this word in English, but I know it in Spanish. And the same for Spanish. Sometimes there's some words in in Spanish that I don't know them in Spanish, I only know them in English. So, yeah.

Unknown: 2:45

So growing up, like you said, you know, your closeness with your siblings and your parents in going, you know, most kids actually have a hard time figuring out what to do after high school, right? I mean, in your case, you knew that you were going planning to go to college. But how did you come to that conclusion? Or, you know, how did you navigate through that decision making process?

Evie: 3:10

Sure. That's a great question. So I was lucky enough to have, I think, a teacher that recognized my potential, but I mean, my mother, and my father didn't really have college education. So they knew college was important. And they pushed me to do good in school. But there wasn't really guidance in how to get there, or what to even do what you know, what major to, to, you know, apply for, or how to fund for college. So I was lucky to have I was part of a program called avid and my avid teacher was the one who kind of saw potential in me and kind of pushed me to, she put me in AP classes I didn't want to be in and now like, I was not happy about it. But to this day, I'm like, really close to her. And I'm just like, thank you for pushing me because I would not have signed up for them. But I had a teacher who helped me a lot. And I didn't really know what I wanted to do. I knew I was good at math. And I was good at science. But I guess growing up, all I heard was like, be a doctor be a lawyer, none of which interested me. And I think my teacher suggested engineering, and I kind of looked into it. And I remember senior year applying to college, and being like, well, I really like Armageddon, the movie. So I think I'm going to like aerospace engineering. So I chose my major off of like some like as teachers suggestion and a movie, which is like, kind of hilarious. So that's kind of how I got some guidance.

Malini Sarma: 4:42

As far as did you have? Did you worry about funding? Did you like oh my god, how am I gonna afford to pay for this? Were your parents worried about that? Or would you get scholarships? How did or did your teacher help you and say, No, you know what you can apply for scholarships. How did that How did that work out?

Evie: 4:57

I had that same teacher. Who helped me a lot. And she, you know, pushed me to apply for different scholarships and different programs and funding. And I had, I think I'd have like a 4.2 GPA coming out of high school. So I got a lot of, I think I got a full ride initially. And I had a lot of different scholarships throughout my career. So funding, it wasn't that much of an issue, but only It wasn't an issue because I had someone push me to be proactive about it. So if I hadn't had her I don't I don't know how I would have figured it out to you know,

Malini Sarma: 5:32

what to figure that out. Now, that's really important. Having mentors and you know, people to help you when you really need it,

Unknown: 5:38

did these guides you, I think that's, that's super, super important. So your parents was so proud, because you are the first in your family to go to college. And you went into aerospace engineering, which I know, don't have that many women is, you know, is a very limited number of women in that field. So as a Latina, and one of the few women in your aerospace out in your engineering program, how did you navigate through that? Because I'm sure there were like biases as it is, you know, and then of course, being one of them must be more. So how did that work out?

Evie: 6:14

Man? That's a good question. I had so many experiences regarding that, and biases that I experienced from my colleagues, from ta days, from even professors, I like do not have enough time and even share them all. That's how many, you know, are but one story I do like to share is I remember being in my, I think I was in my quantum physics class. And I sat in the front, I always sat in the front, and I will get to class like 10 minutes early, because I kind of like to get there before everyone else did. And I remember sitting there and just kind of reviewing the notes from last time and guy was sitting behind me like a couple rows back. And I heard him talking to his friend. And he was complaining about how MSB so easy for women in the engineering program, cuz like all they have to do is flirt with T A's and professors and they get good grades. And I remember, like, just like, couldn't believe that it's like, first of all, like, you're an engineer, but you're hella dumb. Like, how can you make that an institution would actually allow that to happen? You know what I mean? And second of all, it's like that bias that like women don't work as hard is completely false. If anything, I think women work twice as hard because they're doing going up against men like that, right? I mean, and so we have, we feel I do feel sometimes that I have to prove that I'm even belong in the room. Right? So it's Yeah, definitely.

Malini Sarma: 7:53

So you were in a program of the must have been What? You said three women, maybe three, four women in a classroom.

Evie: 8:01

I would say maybe there's in a class of 50, there's probably like, six or seven women in the upper division. And then of those women, there is maybe two women of color, including myself. So yeah, not very many women of color. No, not at all game programs. Yeah. I don't think I ever had a woman Professor Actually, that's not true. I did have a professor who was a woman, one one of my classes, but out of all, yeah, out of all those years, I went to school, I had one thing that sad, isn't it? When you think about it? Wow. I can't wait to see more women, especially women of color. You know, being in these like tenure engineering roles. It's gonna happen. Oh, yeah. I cannot wait. Yes, for sure. You

Malini Sarma: 8:53

should definitely get, you know, get a position to teach as faculty in that same college. Even if it is just to do it, as you know, as a would you call for a one to one time thing, or for just for a semester, but just to kind of get back in like, hey, guess what I can

Evie: 9:18

kind of Yeah, like having some kind of workshop or seminar. That'd be awesome.

Malini Sarma: 9:22

So once you were in college, and you know, your world opened up,

Unknown: 9:28

right? I mean, you not only kind of, you know, things like this are all these kinds of biases, which you probably didn't really have. You didn't think that you had to say something about but it's so rampant and it was so so much around you. It really did open up your eyes and even in your case, you said you even it kind of kind of made you a little stronger, and you even got you out of an abusive relationship. So how did you manage that?

Evie: 10:00

That's a really good question. So I think in my first couple years of the university, you know, I was just kind of trying to figure out, like, what I wanted to do and what direction I wanted to go with my degree. And I was doing really well. And I had very supportive friends. We partied hard, but we also studied harder, you know, so I had just a very good group of friends and very thankful to them for everything that we've been through. And I was in a relationship. I was in a relationship starting maybe when I was 16, with, you know, my childhood sweetheart, or whatever. And at that age, like, it wasn't obvious to me that there were some like, abusive tendencies, like, not physical at that point, just verbally, or kind of just being a little manipulative, or overly jealous, big red flags that 16 I just did not notice. Um, and then, as I'm kind of, like, you know, in college, like really stepping into, I guess, myself, you know, and, and the woman that I'm kind of becoming, and I kind of started to create boundaries, and at some point, yeah, like I was in a, my relationship ended up becoming abusive. And at some point, you know, when he first put his hands on me, that was kind of like, when I started to question everything, and, you know, had the strength to like, leave, which a lot of I totally get it, it's very difficult to leave a relationship, especially when it's abusive, because sometimes they make you feel like Gaslight you and they make you feel like, You're crazy, or no one wants you or like, they are your best option. So they convince, sometimes they convinced women to stay with them, which is, you know, terrible. And that's like, those are tendencies of abusive, like relationships. And so yeah, I just, luckily was able to just step out of that, and how did I manage it? I don't really know, I think, I think I was just so upset with myself, I want to say I was so upset with myself that had allowed it to get to that point, to the point where he physically hit me. And I just kind of just got really, I just couldn't do it. I just couldn't do it. And I remember when he hit me, like, he stormed off afterwards, left to work, like if nothing happened. And I remember just being there on the floor, just like really upset crying. And then after about a couple minutes of crying, I was like, called my sister. And my sister came and helped me like, pack all my things. And like, we just, we just bounced, we got out of there. And yeah, I like I filed a restraining order. And I was like, you know, in that process of doing all that, but I managed it because I was able to reach out to people, like my sister to help support me. And, you know, I think it's very difficult because at least when I first told, like my family about what happened, certain members of my family were like, what did you do? And it's just like, why is it that we automatically placed the blame on the woman? Right, like, he hit me? Like, what are you? What are you Why are you insinuating that I did something to deserve that, you know, and I was just so happy that I had my sister who like, asked no questions, helped me pack to help me figure it all out, you know, she, like, truly unconditional love from her. And I was really embarrassed about what happened. I was very, I didn't tell many people, I didn't really tell too many of my friends, the details, you know, I just said, We broke up. And as I got older, I felt more confident sharing that story, because I realized that so many other women are probably dealing with the same thing. And, you know, I did feel ashamed to say anything I did feel ashamed to, to open up to people. This happened. Like, I think I was 20 years old, when this first happened. And I only started talking about it openly last year at 29. So it took me nine years to feel comfortable in even sharing the story, because I realized it's much bigger than myself. Like if I can help one person, you know, who's in a similar position, then, you know, it was worth it to share the story, you know?

Unknown: 14:40

No, absolutely. It is a very traumatic experience. And like you said, a lot of people feel shame because they're like, Oh my god, what are they gonna think that like, you know, I'm so damn or, you know, maybe I deserved it or, you know, I can't believe I didn't get away earlier. So what would you say would be like if somebody somebody who's going through that what is the thing that you would suggest They should do the first thing. Maybe talk to somebody or not. First of all, it probably is don't think it's your fault, right. And

Evie: 15:09

it's so hard because I think it's something so personal, personable or personal and vulnerable, that it is hard to reach out for help. But I think the main thing I would tell someone is I think we're able to recognize, you know, toxic behavior with like, maybe our friends relationship, you know, or someone we care about, like, when we're on the outside, right, I can, like, see my friend, and maybe they're dating someone, I'm like, I don't really like him, because I don't like the way he talks to her. Right? It's very obvious. So what I try to do is, I would say, try to see yourself as a friend, like, don't like, try to look at yourself as a friend. And if, if they, you know, if your partner talk to your friend in that way, like you wouldn't be okay with it for your friend. Right. So then why do you let yourself get treated that way? Like, why is it okay, not okay for her, but it's okay for you to go through that. And I think that's a good way to look at it. Yeah. And I think after that, it's more so like, reaching out to somebody to like, just to open up and talk to you. Maybe someone can help, you know, give perspective, or give encouragement, or even for like, for example, for my sister, she just like took me in and just, you know, see if

Malini Sarma: 16:30

you have a safe space that you could at least vent and you know that you're going to be okay.

Evie: 16:34

Yeah, yeah. And I think just telling someone that you trust

Unknown: 16:39

him that's a big Yeah. It's it's a it's like you said it's very personal. And it's very hard because they Gaslight you and then you you're like oh no, there must be something wrong with me. But knowing that it's it's not your fault. I think that's really, really key. When you did awesome, not only do you get out you actually. So now you you actually left. And now you are working as an aerospace engineer. So how did you? How did you manage to get your job? And you know, is it? What are you doing that now? And you I know you're loving what you're doing? So how did that all work out?

Evie: 17:18

Yeah, so that's such a good question. Because I wish it was like straightforward and easy. You know, like, Oh, I graduated, and I got a job in the field I love, but it's not how it worked. Because I went through like that traumatic experience with like, my relationship, I, you know, didn't seek help, because they my culture, like Latino culture, like, therapy is not seen as like a positive light, it's more seen as like, oh, you're seeing a therapist, like something's wrong with you, like something's wrong with your head or whatever, which is a terrible mindset to have. Because I think therapy, regardless of whether it's for something like PTSD, or anything, it honestly, if it helps you feel better, if it helps you think better, like it's going to help you in so many facets of life. So when I started off, when I graduated, I just didn't think I deserved the degree I got, I didn't get the best grades, because I ended up working a lot at the end of college to help my family. So I was working full time and doing a full time, college degree, which was incredibly difficult. And I just kind of thought, like, oh, because my grades are not as good as my peers. Like, I'm not a real engineer, like I'm not as smart or I'm not this or that I was, you know, didn't believe in myself. So I took a job that I didn't really want, but I took they paid me. And I started off there. And through my career, I started to realize, no f f me thinking that just because I have a low GPA that like I can't do great work because I've no, I would teach myself like new concepts or new theories or new things to help me in my job. Like I was very, I took initiative, I taught myself things I you know, sign up for classes, and would it give me a stronger skill set, and I started to build myself and stop depending on my employer to do that for me. And in doing that, I was able to really climb up much quicker and land positions that I was better qualified for. And that paid me much more. And at some point, like, a couple years ago, in 2018, my dad passed away. And I was you know, it was very tough part in my life. But I think in his passing, I taught me that life is short. Life is short, and what am I doing with my time? Like what is life anymore? I just lost the most important person in my life, right? Like someone who has been with me since I was born and what does my life If you've mean without them, you know, and I think I started to really question my purpose in my life. And I just told myself, I'm not going to work at a job that I'm like, that's just paying me money, I want to work somewhere where I feel valued. And I feel like I'm doing something, I'm making an impact. And I'd always wanted to do, you know, work in the space industry. So at the time, I was working in like fiber optic fiber optic industry, and I told myself, I'm going to quit in three months, I'm going to travel the, you know, traveled to Asia for a couple of months. And when I get back, I will find my next job in the space industry. That's literally what I told myself. And I didn't really have a plan. I just did that. And yeah, when I came back, I had several job offers from really great companies. And I turned them down, because they weren't jobs in the space industry. And I ended up moving to Washington. And now I work in a space industry, we build commercial flight vehicles. And I absolutely love what I'm doing. But it took me having to like, set the standard higher for myself and be like, I'm literally saying no to everything. That is not what I want, which is very scary to do, because it's very scary to get offered a job that pays really well. And then for me to go and say, You know what, like, thank you for your time. But no, thank you. It was probably the most empowering thing I've done in my life, I feel

Unknown: 21:39

Oh, for sure. You know, because it takes First of all, it takes a lot of guts to come out of your comfort zone, and then push yourself to do things that people would normally never do. Right? So it's everybody has their own, you know, motivation to do it. But that that is really cool. Because I know how hard it is to be not in unfamiliar territory at all. And you not only did that, but you also learn martial arts and you started your own business. So how did all that happen?

Evie: 22:14

a really great question. So I started training, Jiu Jitsu, which is a form of martial arts, I think back in 2019, or 2018. I was introduced to it in 2018. But I didn't start practicing it fully until 2019. And I just fell in love with it. Because I think jujitsu is a sport where you don't necessarily need to be the bigger person to win, you don't need to be the strongest person in the room to win, you just have to have great technique you have to, and having great technique means showing up and just doing sucking, showing up and stacking for a very long time until you don't suck anymore. And I just really like that concept of it's continuous improvement of yourself. And not necessarily just just to do you know, just to show like, what you can do what you're capable of, and I kind of absolutely love that idea of just showing up working hard and, and improving day by day, right? So um, as I was training jujitsu, I there's a sort of like, a rash guard or different things that I needed for the sport, GIS, things like that. And I realized I couldn't find any that fit me well, or that had designs on them that I actually like, felt like represented me. And I thought, well, that kind of sucks. That sucks that I can't find a product that I vibe with or that represents me, right? A lot of companies, big companies, I'll have a small section for women. And it's like three simple designs and pink or purple. But the guys have like 40 designs with a really elaborate things. And I think I thought that was not fair. So I could have either just accepted that or done something about it. So I chose to launch a company that focused on women in martial arts and specifically jujitsu and I started to design different things and I felt you know, represent me and hoping that you know, they speak to somebody else out there. So that's kind of how I launched that it was not I've not a plan it was just kind of just yeah, it just happened out of

Malini Sarma: 24:44

those are usually one of the some of the best ones, right that just kind of fall into place. And then it just Could you just kind of run with it. But yeah, another business as well, don't you?

Evie: 24:52

Yeah, I also have so being first generation. I had to learn I was the first to graduate from college. The first To have like, a career that offered a 401k, or any of that stuff, which was not talked about in my family, I mean, my mom never got offered a 401k for, you know, her work. So I was kind of starting from scratch, like, so I had to teach myself a lot about personal finance, retirement, investing just all these things. And I realized there's also a lot of other people who are in our shoes being first generation. So I kind of started off use blogging about it. It's talking about, you know, high yield savings accounts and retirement and just mindset for saving are different things. And in doing that, I realized a lot of people wanted to, like, learn these things. So I now offer, like coaching, financial accountability. And I'm hoping to have a couple of classes coming up maybe in the summer. So let's see. Yeah, I just figured if I took all the time to, like, teach myself that I might as well give this to people to learn from it. Because it's a lot of it's a lot

Nada Dalgomouni: 26:09

of stuff. It is it is. So you said something in the summertime. So you're going to be working towards that. Yes, that's what I'm working on right now. So you have, you know, you're in your early 20s, you working in corporate, you know, you have had to learn some of the finance stuff the hard way. So what would you say? Are your top three pieces of advice that you wish you had known? That you don't that that you know, now?

Evie: 26:42

Like financial financial, financially related, job related? Okay. I think the first one, I think the first thing I would have taught myself was Don't be afraid of credit. Because I think there's this fear of credit in my family. And to me, like credit was bad. You know, I think that's something because credit is necessary for getting low interest on loans or getting low, like mortgage. So credit is important. So I would say don't be afraid of credit, credit is not bad. How you your behaviors with money, you know, when it comes to credit that might get you in trouble. But credit itself is not bad, it's important to have strong credit. The second thing I think, I would say is I wish I would have known more about retirement accounts starting off early, because realizing that with compound and like compounding your money, the earlier you start, like the more you can, you can you know, save. So putting in, you know, a small amount in the beginning early on is more than putting a whole bunch of money aside for retirement later. Because it you have all those years to compound that really, really makes a big difference. So I think maybe I want to change my answer. That's the number one thing I wish I would have done us put away more to my retirement opened a, you know, an IRA on the side as well max that out. And the third thing is so I think the third thing I want to say is, don't buy the hype. Don't buy the hype, like there's all these people with like flashy things, like straight out of like college, nice cars, designer, bag, designer, clothes, designer, everything, don't buy into the hype, because they're your money can work for you in so many more ways. And as opposed to these low ROI items, right? Like a like a brand new car, or you know, all these things, they don't necessarily add value, they may not add as much value as you think they do. And you can make a lot more money by like using spending money in different ways. So I would think those are my three finance related things that I wish I would have known in my early 20s. You're still young, you still have time on your side. So yeah, I always I always tell people like if you don't have a high yield savings account, get one you can get it for free. You don't pay no fees, no fees, no minimum balances, like, yeah, that's the one thing I realized a lot of people don't know about high yield savings accounts. So I'm trying to get the word out there like, girl like you need to be making the most, as much as you can. And that's one way to you know, save more money in a better way.

Unknown: 29:44

Yeah, no, I'm all for it. I mean, even I learned late about you know, a lot of the money, financial issues. That's why it's so near and dear to my heart because I'm like, people need to know they don't need they don't have, even if you will be surrounded by people, but not everybody's talking about it. You know? They go, especially in the immigrant community, a lot of people don't talk about because we are brought up to think that, Oh, you don't have money and you know, women don't now and you know, the male take care of everything. And then you realize that's not the case. You have to know you may not use it, but at least you need to now so yeah,

Nada Dalgomouni: 30:18

it's very, very important. Absolutely. So you should be so proud of what you have become. Look at you. I mean, you've been through so much, you started your own company, a couple of businesses, you're doing your dream, Armageddon was right. Doing aerospace engineering, you're loving what you do. You're trying to make a difference in the community. So when when other women are looking at you, you know, so just like you and they want to follow their dreams? What would you want to tell them? Hmm,

Evie: 30:55

that's a good question. I think the number one thing to do is I think a lot of people, especially in communities, communities of color, we are so community based, family based, we want to give back to your community, we want to help our families, we want to help our siblings, we want to give so much. And I think that's awesome. But you cannot give if you're not putting that energy and time and effort into yourself. So I always want to start people off with saying, your cup needs to be overflowing before you decide to go and help others. Because if you try to help others, when you haven't filled your own cup, you're just kind of depleting yourself of opportunities of you know, making more money, of your mental health of so many things. And I think once your cup is full, when you do give back, it's from a true place of, you know, genuine care, and not like, Oh, I need to do this, because I'm the oldest I need to do this, because they need help. It needs to come from a place of I get to do this, I get to help them, I want to help them, because I've helped myself first. So I think that's the number one thing I would say for any person of color, who's first generation, like that's something that weighs heavy on our shoulders. And do you first

Malini Sarma: 32:27

it's selfish, right? It's not a selfish thing. It's a survival thing. Yes, exactly. Now that is that is that is so important. Now looking, knowing all the stuff that you you know, knowing what you know, now, and looking back, what would you What would you tell your younger self? Or would you tell you anything, you know, to your younger self, knowing what you know, now?

Evie: 32:51

Yes, I think what I would have told myself younger was you don't need the validation of white men. Period. I wish I would have really believed that when I was younger, because I think a lot of my career, I sought that. And I was like, I don't need to be validated by any one of y'all. I just need to believe in myself and I and I really wish that was something that I what I've really believed in when I was younger.

Unknown: 33:24

That is, in today's day and age, I think that is so important for a lot of us to hear. Because I think a lot of us still do that. Because we think we need permission and we need somebody validation. You don't right? Just go out and do it.

Evie: 33:40

Yeah, absolutely. Even to this day, sometimes I'll be hesitant about like, asking you to do something extra for work or, or wanting to maybe like, maybe just say, you know what I do like what I'm doing, but I want to create a new role. And the new role I want is this, this and this, and I would like to get paid this much for it. Like, you know, like that's, I feel like so many people feel like they can't do that. And it's like, there's absolutely no reason you can't go and say, I'd like to create this new role please. Right? Because I'm dope, I deserve it and I deserve to get paid for it. Um, so I'm still challenging, challenging myself to even like continue to do that and continue to push for myself and advocate for myself in those ways because, you know, I women I feel like I feel like women do so much right. Like on top of being like in your career and doing your thing. Women also like be our mothers like they give birth they like literally see the world like their worlds around about around this thing that happens and it's like so crazy that so many women are able to balance like a career and you know bringing up a child and I just truly believe that women have this. You Unique different perspective to bring to any company that they're working in or any Ph. D program that they're a part of, or any anything, whatever it is or working on. Like, it's a unique perspective that really adds so much more value than then people like to admit.

Nada Dalgomouni: 35:17

Oh, I totally agree. Hand the rocks. The cradle rules the world. Yes. No, thank you so much for your time today, Avi, I really appreciate it. And I'm really looking forward to seeing more of you and your businesses thrive. And the very, very best of luck.

Evie: 35:41

Thank you. Well, I'm just honestly, honestly, so happy to be here talking to you today. And I'm very excited to see where, like, meet and greet all your guests and see what you do with the podcast. And I'm so excited. Oh, no, thank

Malini Sarma: 35:56

you. I'm going to be coming up to you know, 50 episodes shortly. Yeah, that's so amazing. Yeah. 60 episodes,

Evie: 36:07

girl that's like, I hope you like gave yourself a huge pat on the back. Because that is amazing.

Unknown: 36:13

Thank you. It is it is a labor of love. And, you know, that's and I'm so excited to talk to people from all over the world. It's like, I get to hear such amazing stories. And I've listened to all the things that you guys do. And you know, it really does inspire me, you know, so this, that's what keeps it going. Because I'm like, you know, we're the badass weapon. Okay, we like, says, awesome to hear the stories and it truly truly inspires me. So thank you so much for coming on the podcast, because I think it's like stories like yours, that just make it all the more better.

Evie: 36:46

Now, absolutely. And in Spanish is a term that I love to use, and it's Ching Guana, which means badass woman. And it's like a Spanish term. And I absolutely like guess we are shitting on us. We are badasses. And you know, I'm so excited to hear about all the women that you interview. Thank you.

Malini Sarma: 37:06

I'm going to actually put that as a hashtag. Let's hear for it. I love it. Well, thanks, Evie, and I will talk to you soon. Okay, thank you so much.